DAY 2
CHAPTER 7
Your Dynamics
Gary Time to dig into some meatier aspects of the Ra contact. In discussing the qualities of love, wisdom, and power, Ra says of you three:
RA In this particular group . . . each entity manifests one of these qualities in a manner which approaches the archetype. 75.39
Could you elaborate on that?
Jim Well, the three qualities were love, wisdom and power. Those correspond to the 4th, 5th and 6th densities. So beyond the 3rd density, everybody will be going through those densities, but while we’re here, each of us can be working on all of those things. It seemed to turn out that—I don’t know if it was by chance or pre-incarnative design—our group contained people that had certain propensities that went in a certain direction.
Don, of course, was extremely wise; his years of experience and his intelligence and his intuition were invaluable in being able to formulate the questions that he started the session with, to be able to listen to what Ra had to say, and to respond extremely intelligently.
Carla, with her open heart, was so willing and able to give love that it was just very obvious what quality she embodied—it was a very nurturing type of feeling and vibration that from came her.
And I’m supposedly the one that had the power, which I’m not really sure about. [laughs] I like working with big muscles, that’s for sure, and I’m certainly not as wise as Don was, and I’m working on opening my heart like Carla was able to do.
So I think what I was able to do, mostly, was provide energy as a battery for the contact. While the contact was ongoing I was doing a certain type of visualization. I visualized pouring light through each of Carla’s energy centers to help her and to help energy from the Ra contact come through.
Carla Yes, I think that there was power too, just the way that you are. There’s power in the sturdiness and the steadiness of your being, and you are very strong; you have a very strong will and your discipline is incredible. So all of those things—
Jim Well thank you. [laughing] And also extremely humble.
Carla Yes, thanks for what you said about me. [laughing] I just love you so much!
But I think Ra was spot on, as usual. We have a picture* that we took to mock the completeness of that truth, because we knew that we might have some love, power, and wisdom in our group, but we didn’t have it all, for sure, so we were laughing at ourselves. Let’s see. Don with his wisdom—he had an old army coat and he carried a rifle (for some reason, he thought that was wise), and I put on a leotard and some black high heels—
Jim And a queen’s crown.
Carla Yeah, and carried a little heart balloon. And then, what did you do?
Jim I had on my baseball uniform from high school, and we all had on noses and glasses—
Carla Noses and glasses that looked like Groucho Marx.
Jim Somebody asked for a picture of us at one point. “Could we have a picture of you?” So we took that picture and sent it to them. We have it in our living room now.
Carla It’s one of my favorite pictures of us.
* See Photo Gallery.
Gary That’s helped to form part of my own policy for this work. In my own role serving as a face for L/L Research, responding to seekers who write L/L Research about this material, there’s naturally a certain gravity they assign to this work—a certain seriousness. They elevate it. And naturally so. It’s a profound piece of work. At the same time I try to bring some levity to it, in the spirit of that picture, to encourage people to lighten up, because it could be taken too seriously.
Carla Yes, and I’m glad you do that.
Jim Ra described humor as a sense of proportion (57.1), so I think humor is extremely valuable on the spiritual journey because it’s easy to get out of balance.
Gary Yeah, and I’ve always understood that proportion to mean proportion in terms of comparing whatever happens in this material realm against the backdrop of infinity. However big you think this crisis is in your life, against the infinite universe it’s nothing, so stand back and see that proportion—
Carla I think you’re right.
Gary And laughing helps to scale it down—suddenly it’s not so traumatic, it’s not so dramatic, it’s not so life threatening, per se.
This may be more or less a repeat of a previous question, but with a slightly different focus on a slightly different nuance. Ra goes on to say about each of your respective archetypal manifestations of love, wisdom, and power, that “visualization [of these archetypal energies] may be per-sonalized and much love and support within the group generated.”
Is Ra saying that each of you were so close or pure in these fundamental qualities that to visualize one of you three would be akin to visualizing a face of the archetype?
Jim Well, yeah, sort of, but more or less it would be visualizing that person and how that quality, say for Carla, how the love manifested. If Don and I meditated upon Carla, and upon love, then we would have a greater sense of both who Carla was and what love was. If Carla and I meditated on Don and wisdom, we would do the same thing for knowing more about Don and more about wisdom.
Carla We were working our way at it, we didn’t have it down cold or anything, but we were trying.
Gary Jim, you already began to describe what you did—how you performed the service of being what Ra called “the battery.”1 Could you repeat some of that? I remember asking you that question for the first time, during the weekly radio program, and I thought there was a little more to it, specifically, in terms of what you did.
Jim Well, I was meditating as the session was going on, and the tape recorder only required very infrequent use, so most of the time I could meditate and visualize Carla lying on the bed as she was. And then from the top down, from the violet, through the indigo and blue and green and yellow and so forth, I would see energy, a white light, coming in through her crown and going down all the way through the base chakra and her feet and then out. So I just tried to clear the channel and provide more energy for the Ra energies to come through, to just help them to come through.
Gary And once you’d finished this routine you repeated . . .
Jim Yes, it was continuous.
Carla At the end of a session he would be sweating. It was really hard on him.
Gary I first learned that just a few weeks ago and it was surprising to me because I had always presumed that your power source was a passive one—just your presence, which I have perceived on my own when interacting with you. You definitely have power emanating, you might say, but it was surprising to me also that you shared that power in an active way.
Jim Right. I think that each of our presences helped, and the presence of anybody who was positively oriented and intended would help, but to also take that vibration that you’ve got and to consciously use it accentuates it, amplifies it, and makes it more effective.
Gary So prior to the contact with Ra, had you ever had the conscious sense that you possessed or channeled an abundance of power and that this power could be put to service to others?
Jim Only in the physical sense. When I was attending the Adventure Trail Survival School in Colorado, learning brain self-control, part of the work we did there was to help rebuild a section of a mountain road which began at the parking area, 1,000 feet below where Lingo’s cabin was. Every now and then he would drive his Jeep up from the parking area, so we needed to get stones put into the ruts where the rain had washed out the road in various places. So we gathered stones, threw them down the hill, placed them, and put dirt over them to repair the road. I was just having a good time throwing stones down, and everybody was amazed how many stones I threw down and complimented me on my work, and I thought, “What? I’m just playing.” [laughs]
Carla And he did the same thing when he was cutting tobacco. This one farmer that employed him had never seen anybody that could cut more tobacco. He’s very, very quick—very accurate and precise.
Gary So prior to Ra, nobody had called you a battery?
Jim & Carla No. [laughing]
Jim When I lived in central Kentucky on the land, I did cut tobacco for various neighbors who were farmers, and they called me “work brickle.” That’s kind of an odd term. Brickle is not actually a word, but in the country it means tough—you’re tough, you can do the work. So if you’re a work brickle, you’re a good worker.
Carla It wasn’t too good when he got to the part of tobacco harvest where he had to help hang it, because he was a little guy—being what, 5ʹ8ʺ†?—and not very heavy, and so he had to get all the way up to the top of the barn—
Jim Nobody else wanted to go up to the top of the barn.
Carla —where everything came up and smelled and it was very intense; tobacco is very strong.
Jim All of it is done by hand. Tobacco is a physically intensive labor. It’s a killer. It’s always harvested in August and September when it’s in the ’90s for one thing, and then once you get into a barn and you’re hanging it, all the heat, as you know, goes up, so it’s even hotter.
Gary So you, who enjoys physical labor—did you find that enjoyable?
Jim Yeah, I enjoyed cutting tobacco. Because it was rhythmic, and I like doing rhythmic things. It was a dance.
Carla He had a need, for just about everything, he would create a dance.
† It seems that Carla so admired Jim that she granted him an extra inch or two. See endnote #3 in Chapter 3 for actual height.
He would just do this dance. It was fun for him—rhythmic. He’s just an athlete. Whatever he did, he did it beautifully.
Jim Thank you.
Carla You’re welcome. But it’s true.
Gary So the next question I had on the docket was to ask about sexual energy transfer as being vital to supporting and energizing the instrument. You guys touched on that—I think you covered that base pretty well. Is there anything that might be missing?
Jim Well, like I said, we discovered that when we finally figured out that there was a correlation between having sexual relations the night before and the length of the session. Then we worked on it, and later on Ra talked about how any sexual energy transfer involves, for the male, transferring what the male has in abundance, and that’s physical energy.2 The female transfers what she has in abundance, which is mental and spiritual energy. I think that the male gets the better of the deal.
So Carla, having a physical vehicle that was somewhat challenged all through her life with medical problems, very much needed, appreciated, and benefitted from a physical energy transfer, which I had to offer, and apparently I had a fair amount of physical energy to transfer. I, on the other hand, certainly appreciated the mental and spiritual energy. I could feel—and always do to this day—the inspiration from an exchange with Carla. Afterwards, I’m buzzing. [laughs] The traditional image of the male after sexual intercourse is that he goes off to sleep—not with Carla. Hmmmm. Let’s see, what shall I think about now? [laughter]
Carla Well, you know, there wasn’t a wink, wink, nudge, nudge feeling to it. We were so grateful to have it, and we invested ourselves in it to do the most beautiful job we could of expressing love to each other. And it was a dance too.
Gary As it helped the contact, the sexual energy transfer probably took on a whole new dimension.
Carla Yes, we always ended by saying, “Thank you, Lord.”
Jim It became a sacred activity, and is to this day. Perhaps it is part of what Ra called “high sexual magic,” where you can create changes in consciousness by your design of the magical ritual, which in this case is a sexual energy exchange.
Gary And key to that is the open green-ray chakra . . .
Carla Opening the heart and being pure about it.
Jim Yeah, both people have to be at the green-ray level in order for the transfer to take place.
Gary Quick side question about that: Ra says somewhere that if the act is consciously dedicated to the Creator afterwards—does that also involve both entities having to consciously dedicate it?
Jim That accentuates and amplifies the exchange, and also if both have an orgasm it doubles the transfer—fine little details we discovered as time went on and as Ra gave us more information about it too.
Gary Carla, you described that Don and Jim each fit into your life like puzzle pieces. Jim was a loner, wasn’t codependent, and didn’t have a great need for being with you all of the time. Don, to the contrary, wanted to be with you as much as he could and was celibate, whereas Jim preferred and enjoyed sex. Was that basically how they fit into your life like puzzle pieces?
Carla Well, that was the beginning of it, certainly—the nuts and bolts, the bones of it, the skeleton of it—but you have to remember the love involved. I was always blown away by the quality and depth of devotion that they both offered me. Anything that I wanted, if they could figure out a way to do it, it was let’s help Carla out, it wasn’t a matter of making fun of me half the time the way a lot of guys do about their women—oh, the little woman—you know. No, none of that. There was a value, a respect and honor that each of us was just moved to give each other that was absolutely beautiful.
The physical logic of it is just what you said, that Jim—we got together for meals. A lot of time Jim fixed the meals, otherwise we would go out to the place that Don laughingly called “Eats.” He liked little places that were mom-and-pop with blue-plate specials where things were fairly inexpensive. He liked comfort food, and so we would often go to the same place—the Twig and Leaf up at the corner when we were living in that area. And there was a place out near Watterson Trail; I don’t remember the name of it . . .
Jim Lindy’s!
Carla Lindy’s—and that was the same kind of place. I knew ahead of time what I was going to get because I had memorized the menu—it wasn’t that big. I was always hoping we’d go to someplace different—you know how I am about that. And Don and Jim just didn’t care, you know, so let’s eat. So it was always together for meals, and we would watch certain TV things together—we loved Magnum and we loved M*A*S*H, and . . .
Jim And The Rockford Files!
Carla And The Rockford Files. But for the most part Jim spent a lot of time by himself. Don and I were buddies, and I needed to be in the same room with him. It didn’t matter—Don didn’t want me to talk to him. He would lie for hours on this long couch that we had when he was alive, and he would draw in the air, or write. I was never sure what he was doing, and he never would tell me. But he would just spend a lot of time doing that, and I would be reading or doing stitchery—I loved to do stitchery at the time.
Jim It had to be a pre-incarnative choice, because we didn’t have to work at this. This just came naturally.
Carla It just fell into place.
Jim And I think at one point in the sessions, Ra mentioned that we had previously worked together in other efforts to be of service in other lifetimes,3 so I think it was cultivated there and brought to fruition here.
Carla Didn’t I tell you, in answer to another question in this series, about Shockley’s reading of Don and Jim and me in a previous lifetime?
Gary Not in this interview, you haven’t, no.
Carla Okay, very quickly: It was in the Old West, it was in the Great Plains, and Don and Jim were brothers. I believe I was Jim’s child, and Don, as the brother, was very close also to this child. Well, the mother died, so the two men were left to raise this sickly baby—I was a little boy, and I never reached past the age of about five. They were absolutely devoted to taking care of me, but it was very difficult to do, of course, because we were in the Old West. There was little help available, and they had to work for a living cultivating the land. But they took care of me very well. That was a choice of lifetimes in order to set us up for being able to take care of me when I was ill for extended periods of time in this incarnation, which most people just cannot do, and neither of them had any problems whatsoever.
Jim It was déjà vu all over again.
Carla [laughing] So that was a very interesting reading and it felt right.
Gary About your work, Ra mentions:
RA Each present sacrificed much for no tangible result. Each may search its heart for the type of sacrifice, knowing that the material sacrifices are the least; the intensive commitment to blending into an harmonious group at the apex of sacrifice. 37.3
And then again in a later session:
RA We thank you for we know what you sacrifice in order to do that which you as a group wish to do. 69.5
So my first question is, what were these sacrifices?
Carla Well, Don, who didn’t want to be responsible for anybody, was taking care of and paying the bills for two other people. That was a big sacrifice for him—huge.
I sacrificed my—there were so many things that I had done to take the high road. I wouldn’t break my promise and quit my first husband, Jim D. When he asked me for a divorce, I thought that was okay. Up to that point I had fulfilled all his requests, even though they were ridiculous, and gave up a highly wonderful job that I was really looking forward to up in Vancouver, along with a romance. It was the first romance I’d ever had with a guy that was so in love with me that he would blush beet-red head to toe!
Jim That was your red-haired Scotsman in Vancouver, right?
Carla That was the Scotsman in Vancouver, and he wanted me to live with him. He said, “I’ll pay your bills, I don’t want anything from you, I just want to be with you.” So I had this $13,000-a-year job in which I was—if I could hold the job for six months, they would double it. And this amount was huge. I was making like $4,000 a year at that time.
Jim In the ’60s, that was a lot of money.
Carla And I had 13 people under me that were librarians, and I was 25 years old.‡ So it was a wonderful job, it was a wonderful romance, and D. said, “You need to go home and be with your people.”
“Noooooo.” [laughs]
Jim But you always wanted six children too, so you gave up children and a family.
Carla I always wanted six children, yep. I gave up sex. I wanted to have sex with Don so bad, but it just didn’t happen. I gave up marriage. I gave up everything except being and doing what Don needed at the time and doing my very best to take care of him because he desperately needed to be taken care of. He was all alone, and he didn’t have a mother anymore. He didn’t have a home. He didn’t have anything. And when I came into his life he was so incredibly appreciative, and he went from not wanting me to have anything to do with him (except be at home when he decided to come home), to wanting me to be in the same room with him at all times (to the point of not even letting me work in the office when he was in the living room).
I was used to working, but he developed such an incredible devotion. He would call me as soon as he got to the airport, leaving to go to work. He would call me when he got to the motel. He would call me before he left on his flight. He would call me every time he hit the ground. He would call me when he got to the motel. He would call about once an hour just to check in, [laughs] and at the end of the day he would just call to say goodnight, and he’d just hang on the line and wouldn’t say anything. And I wouldn’t say anything. And we’d just listen to each other breathe. It was very, very romantic, and very non-expressed. It was all in here. [Carla balls up a fist and brings it toward her heart.]
So I accepted that my gift was going to be from him—it was always going to be that. It was not going to be home, family—things that I had desperately wanted. I didn’t think of it as a sacrifice at the time, but when you think back on it, of course it’s like an initiation. I had everything stripped away from me, and most women would probably not have stuck under those circumstances. The fact that he wouldn’t marry me after he asked me, the fact that he didn’t want to make love, the fact that he didn’t want to buy a house and settle down—none of that. At some point, I
‡ Carla was probably closer to 23 or 24.
think most women would have moved on. Not me. I adored that man and whatever he needed, I was there to try to give him.
Gary And that he kept you from working while he was . . .
Carla Oh, yeah. That was another—that was such a bummer. He would talk about, “Well, if you were working, we could buy a house with two incomes.” And I said okay, and I’d go out and get this fantastic job.
I got half a dozen of them before I wised up to the fact that he would never let me work. He wanted me home when he was home, and working would cut into that.
Gary You have a genetic need to work, so to override that programming must have been difficult.
Carla It was so frustrating, yes. But, I figured ways around it to get my needs met, and I focused on meeting his. So I think that’s what I gave up. And Jim gave up a loner’s life—his own cabin that he’d built from scratch, every board, everything about it.
Jim Up until the Ra contact, that was the high point of my life—I was 6½ years alone on the land.
Carla And he loved it. He planned on dying there. And then he decided, well, I need to be of service, and I’m not being of service here, so . . . Here he came and we formed L and L Research out of that energy between the three of us—we wanted to be of service.
Gary Love and light goes where it’s needed.
Carla So we were working for Don, and as far as we’re concerned, we’re still working for Don.
Gary In that same quote (37.3) Ra says that the material sacrifices are the least, and that “the intensive commitment to blending into an harmonious group [is] at the apex of sacrifice.”
Do you think that such a statement applied only to your group, or do you think that it is a universal property of the human experience—that the toughest and greatest sacrifice is simply learning how to love, how to relate to, how to sacrifice for, and how to operate harmoniously with others?
Jim Yes.
Carla Definitely. Because there are so many ways that you can fool yourself and say that you are being of service to somebody else, but you’re actually trying to control them in one way or another—you know better than them. And, you know, there are so many ways that you can actually try to enslave another human being, and it’s all under the—you feel that you’re explaining it by saying that you’re being of service this way, but you have to get through all of that, be straight with yourself, and realize that you have to love people exactly as they are. Anything that you’re doing that has to do with bending them to your will is wrong. No matter how right you think you are, you’re incorrect in trying to get somebody else to do what you think is right. You have to help people be who they are.
Loving people as they are continues to be a challenge every day, because you learn a little something new every day and a lot of times it’s hard, but it’s something that needs to be done.
Jim Uh huh. What she said. [laughter]
Gary In 4.22, Ra said:
RA Further, this instrument’s activities must be monitored to prevent overactivity, [because acting as the instrument for a Ra session] is equivalent to a strenuous working on the physical level. 4.22
And in 60.4, Ra said of the trance channeling that:
RA . . . [it] is the equivalent [for] this instrument of many, many hours of harsh physical labor. 60.4
So, as we discussed yesterday, Carla, you woke up feeling tired. What impact did the Ra contact have on your energy levels overall?
Carla Oh, wiped them out. But I kept getting recharged.
Gary So did you feel tired, day in and day out?
Carla Pretty much, yeah. But it was a matter of finding so many ways to be enlivened, joyful, and happy—just to enjoy the way the three of us worked together. It was so much fun being with these two people.
Jim Ra said that when she was in trance, she was with them, basically, and that means that she was at a 6th density level which is very filled with light, and when she had to come back to this heavy, dense chemical illusion, it was wearying. And there was a wearying factor that came with the contact, and she would bear the brunt of it. Don and I would bear about 10–
15% of the weariness that she felt, and this was cumulative, and it would continue for the rest of our lives. But, if we experimented with our physical energy, we would discover that it’s still there—even though we’re feeling weary, we still have physical energy.4
Carla It’s a matter of discipline. Not letting that exhaustion be—all of it going into what is making you happy, what is blessing you. There are so many blessings that you get every day, especially doing work like we were doing, we are doing—blessings abound. And counting them enlarges and enlivens you, and you get your energy back.5
Gary I had that quote from Ra where they talk about how it seems like you’re experiencing a physical energy loss or deficit, but if you look more closely, or you work with it more, you can differentiate.6
So the weariness you’re describing—would you describe it as a psychological weariness? A spiritual weariness?
Jim That’s a good question. It feels physical. It feels very real in this density, but your physical energy is still there, so I don’t know. I guess it must be something that’s metaphysical which is translatable to the 3rd density, and the way that it expresses itself is you just feel tired. That’s just my guess, I don’t know.
Carla When you’re used to 6th density wiring, and you come back into the 3rd density wiring, it’s so different, and I was always having to work with that because it bummed me out. So many things about this 3rd density just distressed me tremendously.
Gary Psychologically? Or . . .
Carla Psychologically, yeah. Look at the evening news. Look at the way people think, the way people treat each other, the way people cheat and lie and justify these things. It’s just difficult.
Gary It’s surprising for me to hear you say that you are distressed by this Earth world, because it seems you are naturally of a disposition that accepts the darkness and the shadow side of the world.
Carla I’ve learned to do that but it just—making that real has taken decades of my life.
Gary You’ve described yourself as waking up each morning feeling like you’re at a party, and your job is to determine the best costume.
Carla Yeah, that’s me. [laughing]
Gary It’s not that you’re unaware of the ills of the world, just that you’ve made peace with it and determined that you’re going to love it, no less, and shine, no less.
Carla Right.
Gary So we touched on this question also. You lost two or three pounds per session, and then you talked yesterday about how you urinated a lot of that out. So how quickly did that weight dissipate? Say, you went into a session at 85 pounds and then after the session was over, were you 82 pounds?
Carla Yes, it was that fast. I think it was just the weight of what I lost in terms of urine. That was just a heavy—liquid is heavy. I don’t know how much it is per pound, but . . .
Jim A gallon is 7.5 pounds.
Carla I peed it out. I lost it. It’s what was water weight, and the odd thing was simply that I didn’t gain it back. I had to work to gain it.7
Gary It may have been burnt up in the same way it would be burnt up during exercise: that energy stored is metabolized, or fat is metabolized and is converted into energy, and then you’re no longer carrying that physical matter in your body.
So in between sessions, then, you worked really hard to eat and would you incrementally rebuild that weight?
Carla Yes, it was very strange because I love to eat and I got to the point where I didn’t want any more food because I was scarfing it down in such huge quantities. Remember?
Jim Yes.
Carla I would say I couldn’t eat any more and Don would say, “Eat, eat.” [laughs]
Gary Were I in your shoes, I would be a frequent patron of the buffet.
So during the Ra contact you were in constant pain. The act of your body lying completely motionless for an hour and a half, or longer, during your Ra session caused you to wake in, as you said, “a world of hurt.” How did you cope with this?
Carla Well, you deal with what you’ve got to deal with. I don’t know anything more to say. There wasn’t any trick to it.
Jim One foot in front of the other.
Carla It just hurt. And a lot of times by the end of the day, I’d feel better. Persevere is the secret. Keep at it and keep counting your blessings. And, you know, surf. I learned to surf on top of energy rather than using it.
Gary What do you mean by “surf on top of energy”?
Carla It’s hard to describe. I wouldn’t use up my feelings or have any extra concern or get heavy about things that were happening, I would just surf through them and let it all just be and surf on top of that, and it was a joy to learn to do that, and it was definitely an energy-saving device that I use a lot all of the time now.
Gary In the first question of Session 44, Ra said:
RA We suggest this instrument release the power of judgment to the support group whose interests are balanced far more than this instrument’s. Allow decisions to be made without expectation or attachment to the outcome.
Our hopes, may we say, for long-term contact through this instrument depend upon its maturing ability to be of service to other-selves by accepting their help and thus remaining a viable instrument. 44.1
And connected to that one, in 60.2:
QUESTIONER It is my opinion that the best way for the instrument to improve her condition is through periods of meditation followed by periods of contemplation with respect to the condition and its improvement. Could you tell me if I am correct and expand on my thinking?
RA I am Ra. Meditation and contemplation are never untoward activities. However, this activity will in all probability, in our opinion, not significantly alter the predispositions of this instrument which cause the fundamental distortions which we, as well as you, have found disconcerting. 60.2
[Carla laughs]
Gary This is a hilarious statement to me, by the way.
Ra expressed multiple times that your untarnished, pure, overriding dedication to the Creator was a key to enabling the Ra contact. Yet, they also describe on multiple occasions your lack of wisdom with regard to serving as an instrument. Can you and Jim speak to this point?
Carla If you’ll look, for instance, at the way I used to cook: I used to cook all day, once a week, and then have everybody eat what I cooked, and it was my joy. But it was too much and everyone would say, “Carla, we only need half of what you’re cooking.” I wanted to do the bread, I wanted to make the homemade pie, I wanted to do the extra vegetable and an extra salad, and have some fruit cut up. And I just wanted to have a feast, every single meal. It wasn’t necessary but I loved to do it.
Whatever was happening, I would look for ways to help, and a lot of times other people could help too. You know, it was, I’ll do this!
You’ve seen me, you’ve seen me through the years, you know what I’m talking about.
Jim She was very pure in her desire to be of service, and occasionally she would go overboard because that’s the way the open heart tends to go. If it’s balanced by wisdom then perhaps there’s not so much food there, and what is needed is cooked, and there isn’t so much effort expended.
When I came to the Ra contact she was willing to give all the energy she had, every time, which might not be a good idea if you want to prolong the number of sessions you have. So that’s where Don and I came in handy—we were trying to keep the overview so that we could have more sessions and not overuse Carla, which we did in the beginning. Then we learned through trial and error not to do that.8
Gary So would you say wisdom provides a sort of breaking mechanism, or a “no” function, or a restraint to love’s I need to give, I want to give, I’m going to give, I’m running out the front door sort of attitude?
Carla [laughs] Yeah, that’s about right. Never is it quite that simple but—
Jim Yes, basically. It’s a more balanced way of giving; it’s a wiser way of giving. It allows you to give over a longer period of time instead of burning out quickly.
Gary Elsewhere in the Ra contact it’s mentioned that Carla needed to be careful how she dedicated herself to having a session because even if a session didn’t happen, then she would be as spent energetically as if the session did happen.9
Jim Right.
Gary So what was the mechanism there?
Carla Well, I reserved the energy. I mean I wouldn’t know that I did that, but I put the energy aside in my inner self. I’d think about doing the contact; I wanted to do the contact, and I’d get ready to do the contact without listening to the guys telling me, “No, you’re not going to do the contact this time.”
And unfortunately, in not listening to them, in not being wise enough to do so, I was expending that energy. It was not available for other uses because it was reserved. You know, you cook something and then you put it aside to use later. You don’t have it until you get it back out of the fridge and you use it for the reason you fixed it.
Gary Good analogy. I’ve noticed in my own patterns I have to be careful how I think about doing things because when I think of a task that needs doing, I become committed to that task. Then I think of another and another task and there’s a sense of weight that happens and energy loss. So I have to pull back when I think about things that need to be accomplished so as to not unwisely drain my energy.
Carla Jim was just saying the same thing to me: he needed not to be so eager to do what he saw to do that he dropped the other thing that he was already doing in order to do something else that really wasn’t appropriate to do it then, but when he saw it, it was like, “Oh, I’ve got to do that.” You don’t really—you just have to put it on a list to do when it’s convenient or appropriate. So I think that’s true of anybody—you have to be more careful about how you push your time and your energy.
Ken A quick question about love and wisdom: Does Ra say that it doesn’t always necessitate a movement from love to wisdom or a movement from wisdom to love, but that they’re one and the same? Does that happen somewhere or am I thinking of something else?10
Carla Well, then there’s also power—the appropriate use, the right use of good power. But I think some people come here to learn how to open their heart more, whereas other people might come here and their lesson for themselves would be more how to put a little wisdom in that heart. And it’s not that they’re not two aspects of the same love and light, it’s that there are two ways that you express yourself that are fundamentally different enough that there are whole densities involved in learning precisely how to use that beautiful energy.
Gary In 94.7 Ra is responding to Don’s question about why he’s so tired:
RA The contact which you now experience costs a certain amount of the energy which each of the group brought into manifestation in the present incarnation. Although the brunt of this cost falls upon the instrument, it is caparisoned by pre-incarnative design with the light and gladsome armor of faith and will to a far more conscious extent than most mind/body/spirit complexes are able to enjoy without much training and initiation. 94.7
Before finishing that quote from Ra, I’d like to focus on the latter half of what was just read. The word caparisoned is defined as “outfitted with an ornamental covering or rich clothing.”
So to re-read their statement with the definition of “caparisoned” included:
RA Although the brunt of this cost falls upon the instrument, it is [outfitted with an ornamental covering of rich clothing] by pre-incarnative design with the light and gladsome armor of faith and will to a far more conscious extent than most mind/body/spirit complexes are able to enjoy without much training and initiation.
94.7
Is Ra saying that, though you lacked training and initiation, the strength of will and faith with which you furnished yourself prior to incarnation enabled you to carry and bear this heavy load?
[Carla agrees]
Jim “Because her heart was pure, she had the strength of ten,” is an old saying that I think applies here.
Gary In 30.17, Ra said:
RA As we scan the instrument we find anomalies of the magnetic field which are distorted towards our abilities to find narrow-band channel into this instrument’s mind/body/spirit complex. 30.17
Do you feel, Carla, that there was a pre-incarnational design for the Ra contact? That is, do you feel that you three made agreements before incarnating that would help guide you to this work, and that you constructed the template of your personality to be especially suited for the success of this project?
Carla Precisely so. I do think that we made agreements with each other. I think that, very specifically, we knew that we were on a mission together in this incarnation, and we were looking forward to blending our energies with each other. That was before we ever got born, you know.
Gary That quote that I just read speaks to that in a very specific sense. We’ve already been discussing how your, Jim’s, and Don’s dynamics worked together to enable and to allow the Ra contact to happen, but that quote indicates that even the wiring of your physical body was designed to serve as an instrument for the Ra contact.
Carla I think so. I think that all these things that seem so awkward and useless in earthly terms: my frailness, my sensitivity in so many ways almost to the point of ridiculousness—I’m so sensitive. I’m allergic to everything that the Earth has to—I’m allergic to Earth, one doctor told me. All these things made it possible for me to work with Ra’s 6th density wiring, but when you try to live in 3rd density with 6th density wiring you become frail, because it just takes more than you’ve got. You don’t have the proper wiring. You’re not vulgar enough. I guess that’s what it is. [laughing]
I don’t mean that I think I’m a miss goody two-shoes or anything like that, I don’t think that at all, but I do think that I tend to take the high road to the exclusion of anything else. Things like that—the wiring has to do with ethics and uprightness and living an honorable life, that kind of thing, where you’re really basically living in another density in your head, and this world just wags on the way it does. It’s a little bit different than that.
Gary And were this world a more peace-filled place, and a more loving place, the difference between the two . . .
Carla It would be a lot easier, yeah.
Jim Then we probably wouldn’t be here.
Carla Yeah, you go where you’re needed. No sense in—what is it
Shakespeare said?—“kicking against the pricks,” and there are always pricks. [laughter] Go look it up. I’m not being crude, nor was Shakespeare.11
Gary Ra continually recommended you to operate in harmony, love, praise and thanksgiving, and commended you for doing just that:
RA Those salient items for the support group are praise and thanksgiving in harmony. These the group has accomplished with such a degree of acceptability that we cavil not at the harmony of the group. 103.8
And there are multiple other places where they convey the same sentiment.
Carla Cavil [pronounces it differently than Gary] is the word that means argue or criticize.§
Gary Side note to readers: Carla has long been an English mentor for me, helping me to pronounce, spell, or use the English language.
Carla [laughs] I could be wrong at any time; sometimes I’m in the wrong country.
Gary How would you describe your harmony? You’ve touched on that. Is there anything more that you could say about your harmony and experience?
Jim You just like being with the people, you miss them when you’re not, and it just feels right. It doesn’t seem to take a lot of effort.
Gary Ra seemed to indicate that your harmony as a group was somewhat exceptional. How did you succeed in that regard where other groups, presumably, aren’t able to hold that level of harmony?
Carla It’s love. It’s just an excess of love. Other groups, I’m sure with one guy and two women, or one woman and two men, would fall apart because of jealousy at one point or another, because people go in this world two by two and the other one gets left out, but nobody was left out in our
§ Carla’s definition applies, but perhaps more precisely, cavil is defined as “to raise trivial and frivolous objection” by Merriam-Webster, and to “make petty or unnecessary objections” by Google. Let’s hope that this footnote does not cavil at Carla’s response.
group. Everybody had their place, and we all loved each other adequately and satisfied each other’s needs completely.
Jim And each of us was pretty well determined in our own being before we’d met each other that we wanted to be of service: that was the foremost goal in our minds. We ran into others that wanted to do the same thing, and oooh, hey, all right.
Carla It felt so good. There are not a lot of people in this world that have that purity of desire.
Jim Having a principle that is more than yourself is very valuable.
Carla And I’m talking to you, because when I met you, Gary, I thought, “Wow, okay, you may be young, you may need a little bit of buffing up around the edges . . . ”
Gary More than a little . . .
Carla But you’re exceptional and you have always been so.
Gary Thank you.
Carla And when I met you I felt the same way, Ken.
Ken Thank you.
Gary In 99.11, Ra says:
RA We note the relative discomfort of this group at this space/time and offer those previous statements made by Ra as possible aids to the regaining of the extraordinary harmony which this group has the capability of experiencing in a stable manner.
(Apparently Ra referred to themselves in the third person sometimes.) They go on to say:
We encourage the conscious strengthening of those invisible ribbands which fly from the wrists of those who go forward to seek what you may call the Grail. 99.11
What does that final statement mean to you about strengthening the ribbands in the seeking of the Grail?
Jim The Knights of the Round Table in Camelot had ribbands** (in the
** What today we might call a sash.
colors of their lady, or their house—but usually the lady) that they wore in order to uphold her honor. [What today we might call a sash.]
Carla Their lady was the height of honor—that was one of the rules of the romantic knight thing, the knight errant. He would go looking for the goal of all those who seek truth, which is the grail of spirit, the grail that is Jesus’ holy cup that you use at holy communion. It was a reference to all those energies.
In other words: lift up and look up; get a little bit purer than you are right now.
Gary Tune your sense of honor and your sense of being on a quest . . .
Carla We had problems when we were in Georgia because Don was so incredibly unhappy and didn’t want to do anything. Whatever it was we had an idea to do—go to a movie, go out to eat, the simplest things, go for a walk—Don didn’t want to do that. He wanted to hide in and be where he [was], but he hated where he was, and he kept saying, “This is our last month here, we just can’t stay here, we’ve got to go someplace else.”
And every place that he would find, he didn’t like. Every place I would find, he said no to, so we all got more and more frustrated, and it wasn’t really anybody’s fault. It was a bad situation and it seemed to get worse. Don was absolutely positive that it was getting worse every day, and he was very strong in his belief system, so it was difficult for us . . .
Jim Yes, that was the beginning of his problems back then, and a lot of things were contributing to it.
Carla So I think Ra was referring to all of that in a gentle way.
Gary So it was the group as a whole, but it was especially pertinent to Don?
Carla Well, and to us too, because we’d finally go, “Oh for crying out loud, we’ll just go out and eat—we’ll go to a movie.” We left him home. It was not right, but the idea of having yet another time at home—just constantly . . . We really needed and felt that it was a good idea to have some variety, and it was never the right thing as far as Don was concerned, so it was frustrating.
Did we go? Did we stay? We had a lot of problems trying to figure that out. Every time we wanted to do something little, like go out and eat, it got blown up to be a big thing. It had never done that before. We weren’t used to it being so difficult just to live from day to day, so we were not that great either.
We were like, “Well, come on”—not very understanding sometimes. Not that we criticized—we didn’t go that far, but we were just less completely in tune with each other than we had always been before.
Gary Then Ra was suggesting that you fine tune . . .
Carla Yes and he was right, he was absolutely right. And we tried, we tried our very best.
Gary We’ll talk again about the practice of tuning in “The Art of Channeling” chapter. For now, and as it pertains to the Ra contact, how important was both your individual and group tuning in maintaining a contact with Ra and guarding against negative encroachment on the purity of the contact?
Carla It’s always very important. It’s never less than completely important.
Gary Doing the research for this interview project, it really was hammered home to me just how vital it is, in a way that wasn’t apparent to me before.
Carla That’s good.
Gary And it speaks not to just three people maintaining contact with a 6th density source, but as a way of life.
Carla Right.
Gary In 69.17, Ra says:
RA Secondly, that which we and you do in workings such as this carries a magical charge, if you would use this much misunderstood term. Perhaps we may say a metaphysical power. Those who do work of power are available for communication to and from entities of roughly similar power. It is fortunate that the Orion entity does not have the native power of this group. However, it is quite disciplined whereas this group lacks the finesse equivalent to its power. Each is working in consciousness but the group has not begun a work as a group. The individual work is helpful, for the group is mutually an aid, one to another. 69.17
Considering how tight you three were with common purpose, common work, and common vision, why did Ra say “but the group has not begun a work as a group”?
Jim They were talking specifically about white ceremonial magical work. We were trying to develop our magical personalities together as a group. We were doing our own meditations and were working individually, and together as a group we were doing the work with the Ra contact and other types of service, but we didn’t undertake the ceremonial magic approach. When we finally started touching upon the archetypical mind and studying that, we decided to go the way of the tarot. We had three choices: one was white ceremonial magic, one was astrology, and one was tarot. We chose tarot. But that isn’t the same type of power that is available to the individual when you study that as the ceremonial magic.
We didn’t think we had the right discipline, or time, to undertake ceremonial magical work—that is a work that would take a great deal of energy and might even detract from what we were doing with the Ra contact, in our opinions at the time.
Gary Yeah, I don’t know how most people on this particular planet at this particular time would carve out that sort of space in their busy lives to learn that type of discipline.
In 102.2, Ra says:
RA We may note that the instrument has remained centered upon the Creator at a percentage exceeding ninety. This is the key. Continue in thanksgiving and gratitude for all things. 102.2
Carla, how did you achieve this 90% centering upon the Creator? What does this mean? And if 90% was centered on the Creator, what was the other 10% doing?
Carla I’m not sure what I did that was . . .
Jim They were talking about your hospital experience when you went to the hospital and had surgery on your elbow, so I imagine that the other 10% was, “Ow, that hurts! [laughter] Where’s the nurse!?”
Carla In order to focus on service to others, you just focus on, “What can I do to help you?” with everybody that comes into the room. They are people to serve; they’re not people to get stuff from. If I had to deal with a difficult landlord (which I did), I still had to see him as my soulmate, to keep my heart open while I was dealing with very difficult financial wrangles.
Gary So this 90% centering upon the Creator, this is manifested in your conscious mind as well as, of course, I’m sure, your deeper self, but . . .
Carla Yeah. I can’t speak to what’s going on beneath the level of what I’m aware of. But what I’m aware of was my constant effort to make sure that I was focused on serving others and not on serving myself.
Gary I think that’s an important point: that one can so discipline the mind to respond in a certain way or to see a situation in a certain way that they can crystalize their focus upon the Creator. As odd as it sounds, Ra indicates that that focus can even be measured or quantified.
Carla Thank you, I appreciate that.
Gary I’ve seen that in both of your lives. You’re very much disciplined, I would say.
Carla Oh, Jim floors me constantly; he amazes me.
Gary Ra identified this multiple times when they say something like “purity of this instrument’s dedication to the service of the One Infinite Creator.” This again may be a repeat of the previous question, but how would you describe this “purity of dedication”?
Carla If you want to quantify it, I wake up in the morning and the first thing I do is offer myself to the Creator for the day. Before I get out of bed, before I make a move to do anything, that’s my first prayer.
Then Jim and I have, oh I guess it’s about a half-hour that we offer to the Creator every morning in doing readings, you know, Bible readings—we’ve read the Bible every day together since we married, and before that, I’ve read it every day since I was 12, and made a vow to do that. Then I’ve read other inspiring works every day. We read the five books of The Law of One over and over, just like we do the Bible, both the Old Testament and the New Testament, and when we get to the end, we start at the beginning again, and believe it or not, we finally, after so many years of reading a little bit every day, have started the Old Testament over again. That’s a long book. [laughs]
Then we read other things that are hopefully inspiring. I sing a hymn every day. We pray together, we meditate, we just offer—we call it a morning offering and it’s just the way we want to have our day go, and we try to focus it in the way that will go on.
Of course, by 10:30 am we’re completely gone—worried about something or . . . [laughs] it doesn’t always last all day—you have to keep working at it. And you do, you keep working at it all day. And I never get tired of it, just like I never get tired of certain prayers that inspire me and rest my soul. I say them over and over, and have all my life. I guess part of that is being an Episcopalian, a cradle Episcopalian. It’s a very ritualistic way of worship. And I’ve been in the choir since I was four, so the singing and the ritual are all very dear to me and make me comfortable.
So I have so many tools in my arsenal because of worshipping that way and the Christian way, and also just my own way of focusing myself on service to my beloved. I call Jesus my beloved. I don’t feel that I need to go into it any more. And I love the Holy Spirit. I spend a lot of time with the Holy Spirit, I call her Holly. Spirit does incredible things in my life. It so strengthens and deepens me, I just can’t tell you.
So I use the tools that I was given by nature and by going to church and learning stuff in a certain way.
Gary Again to emphasize this disclaimer, I don’t want to make sacred cows out of either of you or put you on a pedestal . . .
Carla Good heavens no, I’m such an idiot.
Gary But, you know, Ra spoke about your lives and examined the dynamics of your lives, so your lives get to be a means through which spiritual principles are discussed and analyzed. And it seems like your purity of dedication is, of course, an orientation deep within yourself, but it’s consciously practiced every day through constant practice of remembrance and recollection and reorienting yourself again and again.
Carla It’s what I want to do: it’s not a burden for me; it’s the way I want to live. I’m glad when I’m able to recollect and laugh at myself and go on and lift myself up that way. I’m very glad when that happens. I don’t just go, “Oh, I’ve got to be more pure than this. Oh jeez here we go. Lord help me—I’ve got to be more pure than this.” It’s not like that at all. It’s the joy of my life to rest in Spirit one way or another.
But I’m an idiot too. I have so many obvious faults. I’m often wrong. I remember things incorrectly; you’ve noted yourself how often I have embroidered a story, and by the time I tell it again it’s three different stories all rolled into one. There’s nothing accurate in it. I get the tune but not the words.12 And I have that tendency and lots of other reasons that you’d just run screaming and say, “I don’t want to deal with her.” [laughs] But most people forgive me and just love me as I am. It’s a wonderful thing.
Gary Well a lot of these things are surface details. Through your work in consciousness and your open heart—and your heart does shine through—your essence is always there.
Ra mentions in a couple different places about their pairing with you and the group. They say in 69.5, “We searched long to find an appropriate channel or instrument.” (And they add that “the possibility/probability vortices indicating the location of this configuration again are slight.”)
And in 71.21 they say:
RA Consider the process of one who sees the spectrograph of some complex of elements. It is a complex paint sample, let us say for ease of description. We of Ra knew the needed elements for communication which had any chance of enduring. We compared our color chip to many individuals and groups over a long span of your time. Your spectrograph matches our sample. 71.21
So as far as we know, Ra hasn’t spoken through any other channeling group, at least not the sixth-density social memory complex Ra that spoke through your group.
What do you think it was that allowed you three to receive Ra, humble messenger of the Law of One? That is, how, exactly, did your “spectrograph” match theirs?
Carla I wouldn’t touch that question with a ten-foot pole. I’ve no idea.
Jim We can only guess.
Carla It’s certainly beyond any conscious effort. It’s just the way we are.
Jim Well, the harmony was obviously the most important, I think, plus our desire to be of service and our single-pointedness in finding our own way of being a spiritual entity, and wanting to be of service. Then I guess each of us had certain qualities that we’ve talked about before—love, wisdom, and power—that had some impact on what we were doing, and that those blended together could be harmonious.
Carla I had such a leg up by having . . . Whether people believe or don’t believe that this happened to me, as a child I spent a lot of time in a magic forest where the trees and bushes all could talk to me and all the animals could speak to me. It was a wonderful feeling. And all the colors were alive and moved and flowed. It made this current life look black and white by comparison, it was so vivid. And Jesus was there, and he would hold my hand and look into my eyes. And I would know what love was.
So from about the age of two, I was wanting consciously, as my devotion to this wonderful energy, to serve love, the love I saw in his beautiful golden eyes. I have never varied one iota from that desire. I’ve always seen my life as service to my beloved, and that being love, love I could not possibly explain or describe because it was the quality in his eyes that was beyond words. But I wanted to be a part of that always. So from babyhood—imagine this little toddler who was absolutely determined to be of service. [laughs] It got me into all kinds of difficulties.
Gary In my experience, most kids don’t have that intensive orientation, myself included.
Carla No, I didn’t fit in any of the molds of my peers, so I was always on the far reaches of out—didn’t fit at all. It was so difficult to be a child if you were skinny, had really, really thick glasses, crossed eyes, wanted to be of service, wanted to learn stuff, and loved learning stuff more than anything. I was so different.
My mother helped me out on that. I remember being, oh, three or four, and her working with algebra. “Okay, Carla, two plus x equals five. What is x?” How many kids get that kind of leg up. My brain was being exercised, and my desire to serve was being exercised, and I was a kind of full-service person wrapped in this little tiny kid. It was strange, and I think I finally grew into myself when I got to late high school and college. After that, I had no problems with anybody. Everybody always appreciated and liked me.
Gary My next and final question for this section was going to be: Say if in a hypothetical universe, somebody happened upon contact with Ra again, what words of wisdom would you have for that group? But I think your responses to the questions thus far have kind of hit that nail on the head, so shall we wrap up for the day?
Carla I’m good. Thanks guys.
Jim Good idea. Good job gang!
Gary Thank you both.
Notes
[1] It was discovered during the editing process that Ra actually never explicitly used the word “battery” in reference to Jim. Ra did however indicate as much when replying to Jim’s question about examining body sensations: ↩
RA For instance, at this space/time nexus one sensation is carrying a powerful charge and may be examined. This is the sensation of what you call the distortion towards discomfort due to the cramped position of the body complex during this working. In balancing you would then explore this sensation. Why is this sensation powerful? Because it was chosen in order that the entity might be of service to others in energizing this contact. 64.20
Carla may also be among the sources responsible for the understanding of Jim’s role as battery in the interviewer’s mind. Reflecting on the Ra contact throughout the years, Carla had often referred to Jim as a battery. Her and Jim’s sexual energy exchanges unquestionably supported the instrument and thus helped power the contact itself (see 39.2, 44.1, 44.13, 48.2, 68.2, 72.16, 76.2, 79.2–4, 81.7, 83.2, & 87.27, among others), but it is unknown whether Carla was referring exclusively to the sexual energy exchanges or also to the native power of Jim’s physical presence.
About Jim’s power, see this instance of Ra’s counsel to Jim regarding its use:
RA We may note that the great forte of the scribe is summed in the inadequate sound vibration complex, power. The flow of power, just as the flow of love or wisdom, is enabled not by the chary conserver of its use but by the constant user. The physical manifestation of power being either constructive or destructive strenuous activity, the power-filled entity must needs exercise that manifestation. This entity experiences a distortion in the direction of an excess of stored energy. It is well to know the self and to guard and use those attributes which the self has provided for its learning and its service. 99.5
While Jim undoubtedly provided the strongest input of raw energetic power—through sexual energy transfer, visualization performed during each session, and the power of his physical presence—Ra describes both Jim and Don’s ability to energize the instrument and thus the Ra contact in the following Q&As: 11.2, 33.1, 61.12, 76.2, 78.7. And 61.12 speaks to the energizing effect that comes from the proper alignment of the appurtenances themselves.
[2] About sexual energy transfers: ↩
RA In green ray there are two possibilities. Firstly, if both vibrate in green ray there will be a mutually strengthening energy transfer, the negative or female, as you call it, drawing the energy from the roots of the beingness up through the energy centers, thus being physically revitalized; the positive, or male polarity, as it is deemed in your illusion, finding in this energy transfer an inspiration which satisfies and feeds the spirit portion of the body/mind/spirit complex, thus both being polarized and releasing the excess of that which each has in abundance by nature of intelligent energy, that is, negative/intuitive, positive/physical energies as you may call them; this energy transfer being blocked only if one or both entities have fear of possession, of being possessed, of desiring possession or desiring being possessed. 26.38
[3] About the group’s working together in previous lifetimes: ↩
RA There have been several times when this group worked and dwelt together. The relationships varied. There is balanced karma, as you call it; each thus the teacher of each. The work has involved healing, understanding the uses of the earth energy, and work in aid of civilizations which called just as your sphere has done and we have come. 9.2
[4] More on this weariness: ↩
RA Weariness of the time/space nature may be seen to be that reaction of transparent or pure vibrations with impure, confused, or opaque environs.
QUESTIONER Is there any of this effect upon the other two of us in this group?
RA I am Ra. This is quite correct.
QUESTIONER Then we would also experience the uninterrupted wearying effect as a consequence of the contact. Is this correct?
RA I am Ra. The instrument, by the very nature of the contact, bears the brunt of this effect. Each of the support group, by offering the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator in unqualified support in these workings and in energy transfers for the purpose of these workings, experiences between 10 and 15 percent, roughly, of this effect. It is cumulative and identical in the continual nature of its manifestation.
QUESTIONER What could be the result of this continued wearying effect after a long period?
RA I am Ra. You ask a general query with infinite answers. We shall over-generalize in order to attempt to reply.
One group might be tempted and thus lose the very contact which caused the difficulty. So the story would end.
Another group might be strong at first but not faithful in the face of difficulty. Thus the story would end.
Another group might choose the path of martyrdom in its completeness and use the instrument until its physical body complex failed from the harsh toll demanded when all energy was gone.
This particular group, at this particular nexus, is attempting to conserve the vital energy of the instrument. It is attempting to balance love of service and wisdom of service, and it is faithful to the service in the face of difficulty. Temptation has not yet ended this group’s story.
We may not know the future, but the probability of this situation continuing over a relatively substantial period of your space/time is large. The significant factor is the will of the instrument and of the group to serve. That is the only cause for balancing the slowly increasing weariness which will continue to distort your perceptions. Without this will the contact might be possible but finally seem too much of an effort. 81.5–8
And regarding Carla’s trance experience where Carla was essentially with Ra, in sixth density:
QUESTIONER The instrument has mentioned what she refers to as bleed-through or being aware, during these sessions sometimes, of the communication. Would you comment on this?
RA I am Ra. We have the mind/body/spirit complex of the instrument with us. As this entity begins to awaken from the metaphorical crib of experiencing light and activity in our density it is beginning to be aware of the movement of thought. It does not grasp these thoughts any more than your third-density infant may grasp the first words it perceives. The experience should be expected to continue and is an appropriate outgrowth of the nature of these workings and of the method by which this instrument has made itself available to our words. 88.5
QUESTIONER Well, I will just ask in closing: Is an individualized portion or entity of Ra inhabiting the instrument’s body for the purpose of communication? And then, is there anything that we can do to improve the contact or make the instrument more comfortable?
RA I am Ra. We of Ra communicate through narrow-band channel through the violet-ray energy center. We are not, as you would say, physically indwelling in this instrument; rather, the mind/body/spirit complex of this instrument rests with us. 85.20
[5] What is vital energy? ↩
QUESTIONER Could you give me a definition of vital energy?
RA I am Ra. Vital energy is the complex of energy levels of mind, body, and spirit. Unlike physical energy, it requires the integrated complexes vibrating in an useful manner.
The faculty of will can, to a variable extent, replace missing vital energy and this has occurred in past workings, as you measure time, in this instrument. This is not recommended. At this time, however, the vital energies are well-nourished in mind and spirit although the physical energy level is, in and of itself, low at this time.
QUESTIONER Would I be correct in guessing that vital energy is a function of the awareness or bias of the entity with respect to its polarity or general unity with the Creator or creation?
RA I am Ra. In a nonspecific sense we may affirm the correctness of your statement. The vital energy may be seen to be that deep love of life or life experiences such as the beauty of creation and the appreciation of other-selves and the distortions of your co-Creators’ making which are of beauty.
Without this vital energy the least distorted physical complex will fail and perish. With this love or vital energy or élan the entity may continue though the physical complex is greatly distorted. 63.6–7
[6] Weariness of spirit and physical energy: ↩
RA Those of the support group also offer the essence of will and faith in service to others, supporting the instrument as it releases itself completely in the service of the One Creator. Therefore, each of the support group also experiences a weariness of the spirit which is indistinguishable from physical energy deficit except that if each experiments with this weariness each shall discover the physical energy in its usual distortion.
94.7
[7] There is indication in 83.2 that Carla is regaining weight for the first time: Don says that Carla “gains weight now instead of loses it after a session.” ↩
[8] About the instrument not being the best judge of when not to have a session and how the support group was critical in exercising that discernment: ↩
RA This instrument is very fortunate in having a support group which impresses upon it the caution necessary as regards these sessions at this time. This instrument is capable of almost instantaneously clearing the mental/emotional complex and the spiritual complex for the purity this working requires, but this instrument’s distortion towards fidelity to service does not function to its best use of judgment regarding the weakness distortions of the physical complex. Thus we appreciate your assistance at space/times such as that in your most recent decision-making not to have a working. This was the appropriate decision and the guidance given this instrument was helpful. 39.1
[9] On the instrument dedicating her energy: ↩
QUESTIONER Could you please terminate this contact as soon as necessary since we are not aware of the vitality of the instrument at this time?
RA I am Ra. In your way of speaking our hands are, to a certain extent, tied. This instrument has called upon inner reserves which are dearly bought. Therefore, we have the honor/duty of using this energy to the best of our ability. When it becomes low we shall most certainly, as always, express the need for ending the working. The only way of avoiding this sharing of service at whatever cost is to refrain from the working. It is a dilemma. 44.2
QUESTIONER I think that it might be a good idea if we terminated the contact at this time to allow the instrument to gain more necessary energy before continuing. This is my decision at this time. I would very much like to continue the contact, but it seems to me, although I can’t tell the instrument’s level, that the instrument should not use up any more energy.
RA I am Ra. We are responding to an unasked query. However, it is most salient and therefore we beg your forgiveness for this infringement. The energy has been lost to the instrument, dedicated to this purpose only. You may do as you will, but this is the nature of the instrument’s preparation for contact and is the sole reason we may use it.
QUESTIONER I’m not sure I fully understood you. Could you say that a little different way? Could you explain more completely?
RA I am Ra. Each of you in this working has consciously dedicated the existence now being experienced to service to others. This instrument has refined this dedication through long experience with the channeling, as you term it, of Confederation philosophy, as you may say. Thus when we first contacted this instrument it had offered its beingness, not only to service to other-selves but service by communication of this nature. As this contact has developed, this dedication of beingness has become quite specific. Thus once the vital energy is dedicated by the instrument to our communications, even if the working did not occur, this vital energy would be lost to the day-by-day experience of the instrument. Thus we indicated the importance of the instrument’s releasing of the will from the process of determining the times of working, for if the instrument desires contact, the energy is gathered and thus lost for ordinary or mundane purposes. 44.7–8
[10] Ken was probably thinking of these two lines: ↩
RA Love and wisdom, like love and light, are not black and white, shall we say, but faces of the same coin, if you will. Therefore, it is not, in all cases, that balancing consists of a movement from compassion to wisdom.
85.16
[11] Carla was mistaken. The expression “to kick against the pricks” comes not from Shakespeare but from the Bible: ↩
“It is hard for you to kick against the pricks” was a Greek proverb, but it was also familiar to the Jews and anyone who made a living in agriculture. An ox goad was a stick with a pointed piece of iron on its tip used to prod the oxen when plowing. The farmer would prick the animal to steer it in the right direction. Sometimes the animal would rebel by kicking out at the prick, and this would result in the prick being driven even further into its flesh. In essence, the more an ox rebelled, the more it suffered. Thus, Jesus’ words to Saul on the road to Damascus: “It is hard for you to kick against the pricks.”
Of the better-known Bible translations, the actual phrase “kick against the pricks” is found only in the King James Version. It is mentioned only twice, in Acts 9:5 and Acts 26:14. The apostle Paul (then known as Saul) was on his way to Damascus to persecute the Christians when he had a blinding encounter with Jesus. Luke records the event: “And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks” (Acts 26:14 KJV). Modern translations have changed the word pricks to goads. All translations except the KJV and NKJV, omit the phrase altogether from Acts 9:5.
The conversion of Saul is quite significant as it was the turning point in his life. Paul later wrote nearly half of the books of the New Testament.
Jesus took control of Paul and let him know his rebellion against God was a losing battle. Paul’s actions were as senseless as an ox kicking “against the goads.” Paul had passion and sincerity in his fight against Christianity, but he was not heading in the direction God wanted him to go. Jesus was going to goad (“direct” or “steer”) Paul in the right direction.
“What Does it Mean to Kick Against the Pricks?” GotQuestions.org, accessed September 3, 2015, www.gotquestions.org/kick-against-the-pricks.html.
[12] Carla had a tendency to get creative in the retelling sometimes, but not nearly to the degree she indicates here. Though this could be a case in point . . . ↩